Members Login
Username 
 
Password 
    Remember Me  
Post Info TOPIC: Lina Joy...


Member

Status: Offline
Posts: 9
Date:
Lina Joy...


 


Assalamualaikum ...


Artikel menarik yang ditulis oleh seorang wartawan luar negara berkenaan dengan Muslim Murtad Azalina Jalani.


Malaysia: woman fights for right to convert




Azlina Jailani, who adopted the name Lina Joy when she became a Christian in 1998, has appealed a second time for the right to change her religious status. Lina Joy first applied for official permission to change her religion in 2001. However, the judge ruled, “As a Malay, the plaintiff exists under the tenets of Islam until her death.” Lina Joy recently appealed the decision on the grounds that it contravened Malaysia’s constitutional guarantee of religious freedom. The Court of Appeal heard the case on October 14, and a public announcement on the ruling is expected shortly.







Dublin, 18 October 2004 (Compass) -- In most countries of the world, citizens have the right to change their religion. But a recent case proves that this right does not necessarily apply in Malaysia.

On October 14, the Court of Appeal heard the case of Azlina Jailani, who adopted the name Lina Joy when she became a Christian in 1998. Lina Joy had appealed for a second time for the right to remove the word “Islam” from her national identity card.

A public announcement on the ruling is expected shortly.

In Malaysia, all ethnic Malays are deemed to be Muslim from birth. Malays and other indigenous groups make up 58 percent of the population. Chinese, Indian and other immigrant groups make up the remainder. A 2000 census claimed 60.4 percent of the total population was Muslim.

Lina Joy first applied for permission to change her religious status in 2001. Without this official change, she could not marry outside the Muslim faith.

However, according to a Malaysian newspaper report in May 2001, High Court Judge Datuk Faiza Tamby Chik declared that, “As a Malay, the plaintiff exists under the tenets of Islam until her death.”

Judge Faiza also ruled that the Islamic sharia court must handle the case, since conversion came under sharia jurisdiction.

This ruling created huge obstacles for Lina Joy. The Quran states that the act of apostasy -- or abandoning the Muslim faith -- is punishable by death. A sharia court is therefore highly unlikely to grant permission for a change of religion.

Under Malaysian law, apostates can be sentenced to three years in a faith rehabilitation center, where Muslim counselors try to persuade them to return to Islam. If apostates do not “repent,” they can be sentenced to a further six years of “rehabilitation.”

Lina Joy appealed against Judge Faiza’s 2001 ruling on the grounds that the Malaysian constitution guarantees freedom of religion. By doing this, she hoped to circumvent the sharia court.

Article 11 of the constitution guarantees Malaysian citizens the right to adopt the religion of their choice.

However, in practice it seems Article 11 does not apply to ethnic Malays. A report by the United States Commission on International Religious Freedom released on September 15 confirmed that while the constitution guarantees religious freedom, the government has placed “some restrictions” on that right.

Lina Joy argued that, as a Christian convert, she should not be subject to sharia law.

However, Islamic law professor Shad Faruqi stated in the Straits Times on October 11 that the requirement for official approval of conversions was a legal safeguard. Without it, Muslims could evade sharia law by leaving their faith whenever they were charged with a religious offense.

Lina Joy’s case highlights the need for Malaysia to set clearer ground rules on religious conversions. Both civil and sharia courts are reluctant to handle these cases because of the controversy involved.

A similar ruling earlier this year sparked heated debate in newspapers and online forums. The four Malay Muslims at the center of the debate first applied to change their religion in 1992, but the court refused permission and sentenced them to 20 months of imprisonment.

In August 1998, the four formally renounced Islam before a commissioner of oaths. The Kelantan Sharia Court then charged them with contempt for refusing to attend rehabilitation classes which were part of their original sentence in 1992, and sentenced them to an additional three years at a rehabilitation camp. Appeals to the High Court were rejected in July 2004.

Malaysian citizens are also debating Lina Joy’s case. The administrator of the United Subang Jaya Web forum, who goes by the name “Kwchang,” recently asked forum members, “If I do not have ‘Islam’ on my card, could I be negatively discriminated as well for being a non-Muslim?”

A member identified only as Timo replied, “This leads to another question, one that I have asked before. Do Malays have to be Islamic?”

Another member responded, “This is one of those things that make me ashamed of my own religion ... there is nothing un-islamic [sic] in the act of denouncing Islam. In fact, it’s more un-islamic to forbid people to denounce it.”

Meanwhile, Prime Minister Abdullah Ahmad Badawi, addressing a congress of the ruling United Malays National Organization (UMNO) in September, promoted his concept of Islam Hadhari -- a progressive form of Islam designed to equip Malay Muslims for the challenges of modern society.

Under Islam Hadhari, “Islam must be delivered in a judicious manner through reminders and advice, through dialogue and the exchange of thoughts ... war and the use of force should not be used as a shortcut to success.”

Abdullah also claimed that UMNO, the ruling party, “staunchly opposes the use of Islam as an instrument to manipulate people’s beliefs.”


© 2004 Compass Direct. - Posted on Religioscope with permission from Compass Direct. - Compass Direct (Santa Ana, California) is a Christian news service dedicated to providing news on situations and events facing Christians persecuted for their faith. Compass Direct maintains an extensive network of news bureaus and correspondents around the world.


 


Comment berkenaan perkara diatas dari ahli-ahli Pekida amat amat dialu-alukan.



__________________


Veteran

Status: Offline
Posts: 71
Date:

apaaaa la along513 ni suka sangat ngan isu ni...


dah dikatakan TAK ADA PAKSAAN DALAM URUSAN DIN, BENAR SUNGGUH SUNGGUH TELAH DI JELASKAN JALAN YANG TERANG DARI JALAN YANG SAMAR.


nabbi sendiri pun tak mampu nak Islamkan anaknya, isterinya, bapaknya jika tuhan tak izinkan. Ni macamana nak cegah orang masuk kristian, murtad...? macamana nak jelaskan Islam pd calun murtad kalau yang nak menjelaskan pun belum jelas tentang Islam... silap haribulan masih kotor, masih belum betul betul Islam...?


fIKIR FIKIRKAN LAHHH....



__________________


Member

Status: Offline
Posts: 9
Date:

Hanif363 wrote:



apaaaa la along513 ni suka sangat ngan isu ni... dah dikatakan TAK ADA PAKSAAN DALAM URUSAN DIN, BENAR SUNGGUH SUNGGUH TELAH DI JELASKAN JALAN YANG TERANG DARI JALAN YANG SAMAR. nabbi sendiri pun tak mampu nak Islamkan anaknya, isterinya, bapaknya jika tuhan tak izinkan. Ni macamana nak cegah orang masuk kristian, murtad...? macamana nak jelaskan Islam pd calun murtad kalau yang nak menjelaskan pun belum jelas tentang Islam... silap haribulan masih kotor, masih belum betul betul Islam...? fIKIR FIKIRKAN LAHHH....



Assalamualaikum...


Hanif363, perlu diingat ini bukan isu.


Ini masalah yang sedang dihadapi oleh kita semua. Masalah kita bersama.


Niat saya adalah agar perkara nie boleh dihighlight kepada semua di sini, perkara ini sudah mendapat perhatian NECF (national evangilical christian federation) dan juga media dunia. Takkan nak biar ahli ahli pekida jadi dungu (tak tau langsung) berkenaan perkara nie.


http://www.necf.org.my/newsmaster.cfm?&menuid=45&action=view&retrieveid=572


Saya disini hanya dengan niat nak memberitahu.


Kalau setakat nak bagi komen nak mengata dan memanaskan hati, simpan jer lah.


Sia-sia bai ah orang macam nie. Islam ka awak nie? (bercakap macam kristian, mubaligh kristian sahaja yang guna dalil tu (Bold di atas. ) )


Sampai ke WASILAH ISLAM pada awak?  Dan dari siapa awak ambik kalau sampai? Lengkapkah wasilah awak tu? Sampai ke kepada Rasulullah SAW?


(Malas nak sentuh pasal wasilah nie,  tapi kata-kata awak sendiri seolah-olah menuduh saya bukan Islam.)


Jadi saya ubah, statement terakhir saya dalam posting pertama.


 


Comment membina/berilmu/rasional berkenaan perkara diatas dari ahli-ahli Pekida amat amat dialu-alukan.


 


Sekian, Ws.


 



-- Edited by along513 at 10:26, 2005-09-21

__________________
k


Senior

Status: Offline
Posts: 312
Date:

saya dok bgg pasal ni soal islam..subhanallah hanya yang buakn islamje yang pakai ayat tu..macam sisters in islam la...bile ade suatu documentari dekat channel di england
temuduga ketua diorang..

si penemuduga tanya..apa yang kau perjuangkan?

SIS =equality to women towards the polygamy in islam

si penemuduga=bukankah itu dibenarkan dalam islam?

SIS=ha itu lah yang kami nak tentang,,

-APE KEJADAH KALAU TUHAN KATA TAK2 LA..KALAU YE YE LA...TUHAN TU BODOH KE?
DIA BIKIN HUDUD..KITA TAKMAU IKUT...MACAM KITA NI PANDAI SANGAT..




__________________
ive sworn the oath of many thing .3 things if im not mistaken.


Member

Status: Offline
Posts: 5
Date:

Assalamualaikum,


Saya rasa ahli Pekida mmg perlu sensitif dgn isu yang along513 cuba nak sampaikan.Pertubuhan ini bukan hanya perlu sensitif dgn kenduri kendara,pergaduhan dan perniagaan sahaja.Isu murtad ni sepatutnya dibawak ke tgh dan dijadikan salah satu matlamat/hala tuju pertubuhan yg sangat dibangga-banggakan ini.Jangan hanya gah pada nama.Saya rasa golongan golongan berpendidikan tinggi (tertiary level) yg berforum (TAK KIRA YG LUAR ATAU DALAM) perlu menjanakan pemikiran golongan yg lain supaya minda mereka-mereka lebih terbuka.Nasib Islam di Malaysia adalah tanggungjawab bersama.Terus terang saya katakan Islam Hadari tidak berapa berjalan kerana rakyat masih kabur dengan apa yang cuba disampaikan oleh YAB Dato Seri Abdullah.


 



__________________
hu ciak hu....gau ciak ai gau siew....


Senior

Status: Offline
Posts: 345
Date:

Buat hanif363,

Jangan kita memandang islam dalam skop yg sempit.memang tidak ada paksaan

di dalam islam tetapi isu yg diutarakan oleh along513 adalah berkenaan org islam

yg keluar dari islam ya`ni murtad.Sekarang ini jua org menganggap senang

masuk islam dan mudah jua keluar islam.Org islam yg murtad setelah diajak

bertaubat jika engkar hukumnya adalah bunuh.Hukum ini telah ditetapkan Allah

s.w.t kepada kita umat yg mengaku beriman kepadaNya.Perkara murtad memang

tidak boleh dipermainkan.Jika kita tidak tahu sesuatu `ilmu itu hendaklah

berusaha mendapatkannya.Jadi tidak wajar buaat saudara hanif363 mengatakan

islam itu tidak memaksa.Sesuatu perkara yg berlaku di atas dunia Al-quran dan

As-Sunnah ada jawapannya.Maka kembalilah kepada kedua2nya nescaya saudara

akan mendapat jawapannya dan tidak akan sesat selama-lamanya.

yang baik datang dari Allah dan yang buruk dari diri saya sendiri..

wasalamu`alaikum

__________________
nor mazwan bin mazlan


Member

Status: Offline
Posts: 5
Date:

Kepada Hanif363,


sebenarnya tiada paksaan dlm islam tu ayat untuk org-org kafir yang telah di tawan semasa fisabilillah oleh Rasulullah.JAdi kalau nak digukan sekarang ni saya rasa tidak betul.Tolong semak dan faham ayat Quran sebelum menggunakan/mengucapkan ayat-ayat ini sewenangnya.



__________________
hu ciak hu....gau ciak ai gau siew....


Senior

Status: Offline
Posts: 145
Date:

k wrote:


biase a tu..mamat ni a yang mencarut besar besar tu...tak kene ban plak eh..aku pon nak mencarut gak la..bukannye kene ban pon.. ni rupe bentuk geng2 tongkat30

isk, jangan la mcm nie saudara k... benda yg sudah tue, sudah la...tak perlu utk kita membangkitkan semula hal tue... klo mcm nie, smpi bile pon masaalah tak setel... klo nak cakap  mengenai sesorang, xperlu lah kita utk mengaitkan dengan orng lain...kita kan sedara...

__________________


Senior

Status: Offline
Posts: 345
Date:

Benar.Kita berbincang secara ilmu dan berakhlak.Jgn maki2.Tak elok psl web ni ramai yg singgah


untuk tau cerita.


Jangan2 Dato` presiden kita sendiri bukak untuk memantau.Jadi jaga akhlak dan budi bicara


sebagai seorang pejuang.



__________________
nor mazwan bin mazlan


Ahli Baru

Status: Offline
Posts: 3
Date:

NO WAY TO ALL APOSTATES OF ISLAM!!! GOD WILL PUNISH THEM WITH THE WORST PUNISHMENT EVER!!!! to all pekida members bear in mind and remember that the sin of syirik is the biggest sin that can happen in  this world. So please ensure that non of our siblings,brother n family is involved in this case. IF NOT! U r one of the people that going to be question in akhirat and r u dare to answer it!!!!! That time FEAR is really a FACTOR to u. So Think About It!!!!!!!!!!!!!

__________________
5454


Member

Status: Offline
Posts: 9
Date:

Couldn't agree more bro...

__________________


Member

Status: Offline
Posts: 5
Date:

so true danny

__________________
hu ciak hu....gau ciak ai gau siew....


Member

Status: Offline
Posts: 9
Date:

mazwan wrote:


Benar.Kita berbincang secara ilmu dan berakhlak.Jgn maki2.Tak elok psl web ni ramai yg singgah untuk tau cerita. Jangan2 Dato` presiden kita sendiri bukak untuk memantau.Jadi jaga akhlak dan budi bicara sebagai seorang pejuang.

makasih mazwan sebab sudi beri nasihat... fikir fikirkanlahhhh...

__________________


Senior

Status: Offline
Posts: 156
Date:

Kengkawan semua...


Mahukah kengkawan bersungguh sungguh ikut berusaha jika ditubuhkan satu badan mencegah murtad dan kristianity ini...? sanggupkah mengadakan perjalanan seminggu sekali utk berhimpun di satu tempat utk mengatur strategi dakwah yang berkesan ...?


siapa sanggup, PM saya dgn nombor HP sekali.



__________________


Senior

Status: Offline
Posts: 133
Date:

haah apa lagi?  takkan duduk sembang aje?



__________________


Senior

Status: Offline
Posts: 221
Date:

tontoyo wrote:


haah apa lagi?  takkan duduk sembang aje?

itulah yang jadi kebiasaan tontoyo... NATO and OIC....

__________________
surah 26. Asy Syu'araa' 214 "Dan berilah peringatan kepada kerabat-kerabatmu yang terdekat"


Member

Status: Offline
Posts: 9
Date:

abg..


dah nama pun PM...takkan tak faham?


 



__________________


Member

Status: Offline
Posts: 9
Date:

oooo...


hp number....bukan nombor umah.



-- Edited by Ang_Loong_ at 05:38, 2005-09-23

__________________


Senior

Status: Offline
Posts: 345
Date:

Amar Ma`ruf Nahyil Mungkar.Selalu kita lihat dan dengar ayat ini.Maka kita tidak berkecuali dalam menangani masalah murtad dan maksiat dikalangan umat Islam.Marilah kita turun secara berjemaah untuk menyokong cadangan dari Kekanda Abu Hanifa tadi

__________________
nor mazwan bin mazlan


Ahli Baru

Status: Offline
Posts: 3
Date:

abuhanifah30 wrote:


Kengkawan semua... Mahukah kengkawan bersungguh sungguh ikut berusaha jika ditubuhkan satu badan mencegah murtad dan kristianity ini...? sanggupkah mengadakan perjalanan seminggu sekali utk berhimpun di satu tempat utk mengatur strategi dakwah yang berkesan ...? siapa sanggup, PM saya dgn nombor HP sekali.

        Amacam adik beradik yang lain? Kita harus sedar perkara ni dah semakin teruk.. Di perak lebih kurang 18000 orang islam murtad. Sapa yang nak tanggung tu... INtrested?????? send massage to me....

__________________
5454


Member

Status: Offline
Posts: 9
Date:

Jap....nak kena daftar dgn pekida ka?saya taknak masuk pekida ssb tak suka.....

__________________


Member

Status: Offline
Posts: 22
Date:

alhamdulillah,


dah daftar dahhh...



__________________


Guru

Status: Offline
Posts: 520
Date:

Karim6666 wrote:


alhamdulillah, dah daftar dahhh...



__________________


Senior

Status: Offline
Posts: 393
Date:



__________________
PEJUANGKAN APE YANG PERLU DIPERJUANGKAN...///


Veteran

Status: Offline
Posts: 46
Date:

Assalamualaikum...


Maaf saya mencelah.Kita patut bersyukur dilahirkan dalam keluarga islam.


Yang bukan islam sanggup memeluk islam.


Yang dilahirkan islam pula sibuk nak memeluk agama lain pulak.


Bersyukurlah dengan kenikmatan yg telah diberikan.


Bersabarlah dengan segala dugaan yg menimpa.


Maaf sekiranya terkasar bahasa,salah dan silap.



__________________
tiada halangan untuk menuju ke tangga kejayaan.


Senior

Status: Offline
Posts: 347
Date:

 


Apasal diorang ckp Nabi Isa anak tuhan? pasal dia takde bapak ker???????


Apasal Nabi Adam diorang tak kata anak tuhan sedangkan diorang percaya kisah nabi Adam????


Tuhan mana ada anak...!!!!! Dia tak berkawin...!!! Tuhan tak beranak....!!!


 tuhan tak diperanakkan...!!!!


 



__________________
mohd hawarie


Senior

Status: Offline
Posts: 347
Date:

Salam


Berhati2 - selalunya mereka "test power" dengan orang2 yg tahu agama untuk dapat point2 defense kita (orang Islam) . Lepas tu mereka akan relay ke HQ US untuk sediakan hujahbalas. 


Tujuan utama biasanya Indonesia - almaklumlah tempat2 yg tengah meleset dan orang cetek ilmu agama. Lama2 orang ni merasa agama Nasrani dan Islam lebih kurang sama (agama kitab) - dan masa tu akan masuk jarum daqwah dia...


kalau nak prepare - ada satu pendakwah dari South Africa biasa debat dengan these people, dan banyak tulis buku...


Point yg selalu mereka kalah - ialah kita tanya kenapa Adam tidak dikira anak tuhan (tanpa ibu tanpa bapa) sekiranya Nabi Isa (tanpa bapa) dikira anak tuhan. Nauzubillah.



__________________
mohd hawarie
Page 1 of 1  sorted by
 
Quick Reply

Please log in to post quick replies.

Tweet this page Post to Digg Post to Del.icio.us


Create your own FREE Forum
Report Abuse
Powered by ActiveBoard